Unless we've all worked on mainframes on government systems that use
older programming languages, like COBOL, I don't think we all can.
Elon, as smart as he is, obviously doesn't have a grasp on it.

I disagree - while *I* or you might not know how to handle that data, I'm sure the team Elon has put together has the chops to doso; and it seems like they're having zero issues as of yet!

I never said it was a conspiracy. What I did bring up was that they
stood up a website that was immediately hacked, exposing the data behind it to whoever wanted it. In this day and age, if they don't know how to secure a website, they are not the "wiz kids" that Elon is promoting
them as. They might not sell the data, but whoever hacks it will certainly do so if it contains any data of value -- like personally identifying information (PII) -- at all.

... but - who even cares? [They stood up a website that was immediately hacked] Its literally a website with text and graphics; IT doesn't hold any of the data that DOGE is accessing - its just a literal statement of reciepts... sure, it would be better if it had great security - but I think DOGE just wanted to be transparent and get data to the American people. I'm OK with them putting it up and going back to secure it FULLY - its literally just a blog, so what if it got knocked down for a few hours?

So, if there is a conspiracy, that conspiracy would be that there are a bunch of less-than-competent kids who know little about data security
that are mucking about in federal systems.

I think its more like those 'less-than-competent kids', who all have IQs over 150 - thats a true statement - are actually working on getting all the data from the systems THEIR working on; I'd be willing to bet that DOGE.GOV was thrown up by an intern, or even Elon!!! Again, it isn't the data their accessing - its literally a 'Wordpress blog'.

Musk recently made some statement, without evidence, that there were a bunch of 150 year olds in the SSA system. I don't know the specifics of that system but I would 100% guarantee you that if that system was using IBM DB2, he would have made the statement that there were a bunch of 124 year olds in the system because a null date on an IBM DB2 database is 19010101.

I would like to see the lists, but its been stated today that theres literally <12M people aged 120+ are on there. HOWEVER, note that there is NOT info about these #s on DOGE.GOV - I'm going to trust, and verify, the receipts that DO show up on DOGE.GOV. IMO, all the babble by Trump & media, both on the right and left, is just talking heads until DOGE actually makes a statement about it. I completely agree with you about null values, or OTHER issues with a data that POINT to something that isn't, but...

Lemme ask you this - what would you say if after this investigating that we get hard proof that there are some even thousands or 100s of thousands of dead people receiving benefits??? My point is I can't wait to give this time and see the proof... I think a lot of people are getting scared about that proof and a whole lot of rich politicians and contractors that are losing their shit because DOGE is digging - even if theres nothing, dig dig dig!



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Unless we've all worked on mainframes on government systems that use older programming languages, like COBOL, I don't think we all can.
Elon, as smart as he is, obviously doesn't have a grasp on it.

I disagree - while *I* or you might not know how to handle that data, I'm sure >the team Elon has put together has the chops to doso; and it seems like they're
having zero issues as of yet!

Not per Elon. Figuring out that USAID was full of pork was easy. Getting
into the SSA system and thinking you've found a bunch of people who turned *exactly* 150 years old this year -- not a range, like some people 155,
some 147, etc. -- and being so confident that you announce it publicly is a sign that they don't really know what they are doing.

... but - who even cares? [They stood up a website that was immediately hacked
Its literally a website with text and graphics; IT doesn't hold any of the dat
that DOGE is accessing - its just a literal statement of reciepts... sure, it would be better if it had great security - but I think DOGE just wanted to be transparent and get data to the American people. I'm OK with them putting it u
and going back to secure it FULLY - its literally just a blog, so what if it got knocked down for a few hours?

When they copy data over to one of their server systems, where they can supposedly understand it, and it gets hacked, I will await how you spin
that. Since they seem to know little about online security, it shouldn't
take long.

Lemme ask you this - what would you say if after this investigating that we ge
hard proof that there are some even thousands or 100s of thousands of dead people receiving benefits??? My point is I can't wait to give this time and se
the proof... I think a lot of people are getting scared about that proof and a
whole lot of rich politicians and contractors that are losing their shit because DOGE is digging - even if theres nothing, dig dig dig!

Assuming that you are waiting for actual proof that there are that many and
not just Elon or Trump's word, my answer is don't hold your breath.

Unless some of these "wiz-kids" are experienced forensic accountants who
have performed government system audits before, what is happening is not in
any way a proper audit. It is more like a data "witch hunt," and, at the
very least, the dumbasses are going to miss a whole lot of real fraud.

I am sure they will make enough crap up so that those people who think it is a good idea will never notice.


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Not per Elon. Figuring out that USAID was full of pork was easy.
Getting into the SSA system and thinking you've found a bunch of people who turned *exactly* 150 years old this year -- not a range, like some people 155, some 147, etc. -- and being so confident that you announce
it publicly is a sign that they don't really know what they are doing.

Is your belief that there is NONE or VERY LITTLE fraudulent SSA payouts?

Because I haven't heard DOGE.GOV to post receipts on its site; I've heard Elon/Trump say that there are some 12M+/- people over the age of 120 getting SSA payments... those are statements, not facts. I'm waiting to see the receipts, but yea - I'm thinking theres some major fraud there since their willing to make those beginning statements.

As I mentioned last time - what will you think in a few weeks IF DOGE shows that serious fraud is present? ... if there is NONE, or minimal - as OF COURSE theres fraud that I'd call 'normal' - then I'd agree that stirring up those rumors w/o knowing that theres proof coming out is irresponsible and it would make me question more about DOGE. But they've been SO transparent, even when they've made an incorrect statement;

-----DOGE QUOTE-----
DOGE claimed $8 billion in savings from a cancelled contract on their new "wall of receipts." It was actually $8 million.

Around the time we published the story, DOGE removed a screenshot that showed the mismatch, but continued to claim 8 bil. in savings.
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... and the $8B claim was because the RECORD showed 8B - its all linked and very transparent. I think the fraud DOGE is going to prove is gonna be vast and I just wonder if that happens, then what will your stance be?

... It seems to me that the stance would still be anti-DOGE/Trump/Elon, when they are working their tails off for the American people.

When they copy data over to one of their server systems, where they can supposedly understand it, and it gets hacked, I will await how you spin that. Since they seem to know little about online security, it shouldn't take long.

Do you honestly think the data from the organizations their going through is stored on some tech bro's Thinkpad? C'mon, dude. Its literally the government; there is clearances and protocols - I disagree with you. The data their going through is not in the same universe as the DOGE.GOV website, but I think we're just going to agree to disagree.

Assuming that you are waiting for actual proof that there are that many and not just Elon or Trump's word, my answer is don't hold your breath.

I am sure they will make enough crap up so that those people who think
it is a good idea will never notice.

Yep - thats where we'll have to leave it. All I have to say, and where *I'm* at too!! - is I cannot wait to see what the following weeks and months show the American people. I hear your stance, and I hope you hear mine... I personally think we're going to be blown away by the waste and fraud.

Also, I'm SURE that even if I see receipts that prove the above that you prolly won't agree with it... as I don't want to spend tax dollars on sprinkle band orchestras in Moldova, but others might not agree. :P

But the SSA fraud - I think thats one where we could both agree. Lets see if its proven that ANY millions of dead people are getting checks - if so, no American could say that DOGE didn't do a great job.



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Hello paulie420!


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data their accessing - its literally a 'Wordpress blog'.

Not literally. It's seems to be just plain html.


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data their accessing - its literally a 'Wordpress blog'.

Not literally. It's seems to be just plain html.

You know what I mean - its not a site where any data DOGE is accessing lives. Its just text... nothing important stored at DOGE.GOV, other than the transparency the left fails to address.



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