• Brave browser

    From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Arelor on Sunday, September 08, 2024 19:22:09
    Re: Brave browser
    By: Arelor to Gamgee on Sun Sep 08 2024 06:10 pm

    advertisements, which is a big plus for them. I am of the opinion people should not be using Youtube, but more power to them XD

    Why is that?

    Nightfox

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to Nightfox on Monday, September 09, 2024 13:52:56
    Re: Brave browser
    By: Nightfox to Arelor on Sun Sep 08 2024 07:22 pm

    advertisements, which is a big plus for them. I am of the opinion people should not be using Youtube, but more power to them XD

    Why is that?

    Many reasons. First of all, it is a low quality service. It is loaded up with soooo much advertising, and the mother company is coming up with lots of crazy ideas (like DRMing layer 7 protocols) in order to make you eat even more advertisements. Think of deals like forcing you to use web browsers without ad-blocking capabilities in order to visit their sites and then strongarming other webservices to do the same. Unlikely to succeed, but using the service gives them power, and that is to be avoided.

    Then there is also the fact that auto-moderation sucks and that they are removing any content that does not feel happy-flower enough for them. Many Spanish channels that docummented stuff like industrial security got canned because apparently if you talk about bad stuff such as "amputations" and "dismemberments" or whatever your videos get auto-canceled.

    I think none of the crap above should be normalized.




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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Arelor on Monday, September 09, 2024 08:23:00
    Hello Arelor!

    ** On Sunday 08.09.24 - 18:10, Arelor wrote to Gamgee:

    Wondering if anyone is using the 'Brave' browser. Been seeing some
    stories about it, and it claims to prioritize user privacy and do a
    good job at ad-blocking. Installed it on my wife's Windows machine and
    it seemed pretty decent...

    I have some friends who use Brave. They like it because of the easy ad-blocking for the most part. I think it does a good job blocking Youtube advertisements, which is a big plus for them. I am of the opinion people should not be using Youtube, but more power to them XD

    This site seems to compare privacy features across different
    browsers. Looks like Brave is ultimately the best in that
    regard.



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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Arelor on Monday, September 09, 2024 18:52:00
    I have some friends who use Brave. They like it because of the easy
    ad-blocking for the most part. I think it does a good job blocking
    Youtube advertisements, which is a big plus for them. I am of the opinion
    people should not be using Youtube, but more power to them XD

    This site seems to compare privacy features across different
    browsers. Looks like Brave is ultimately the best in that
    regard.

    OOOOPS.. I hit S)end too soon, and forgot the link:

    https://privacytests.org/


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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to Ogg on Wednesday, September 11, 2024 03:59:15
    Re: Brave browser
    By: Ogg to Arelor on Mon Sep 09 2024 06:52 pm

    This site seems to compare privacy features across different
    browsers. Looks like Brave is ultimately the best in that
    regard.

    OOOOPS.. I hit S)end too soon, and forgot the link:

    Something not mentioned is that Brave has native Tor support. They consider it a core feature.

    I have not checked the list because it requires Javascript, but if default Brave gets more private than a Tor Browser with the security level set to "Safer", it is really impressive.


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Arelor on Wednesday, September 11, 2024 07:03:33
    Re: Brave browser
    By: Arelor to Ogg on Wed Sep 11 2024 03:59 am


    Something not mentioned is that Brave has native Tor support. They consider it a core feature.

    I have not checked the list because it requires Javascript, but if default Brave gets more private than a Tor Browser with the security level set to "Safer", it is really impressive.



    hold on a second. using tor is NOT secure.
    use at your own risk.
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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to MRO on Wednesday, September 11, 2024 14:54:37
    Re: Brave browser
    By: MRO to Arelor on Wed Sep 11 2024 07:03 am

    hold on a second. using tor is NOT secure.
    use at your own risk.

    We are talking about identifying data leaks in this context. Without taking Tor into account, the browser component itself is very tightly closed down, specially if you turn the dial of safety presets upwards.

    I don't think the Tor network is inherently insecure. Exit nodes may attempt to sniff at your traffic, but since every modern service you may use on the clearnet is encrypted then it does not make much of a difference, not to mention if you don't use Tor you give the chance to watch your traffic to even more people.


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  • From halian@VERT/ABINARY to Arelor on Wednesday, September 11, 2024 22:38:00
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    I don't use it myself. I use firefox with some hardcore privacy configurat and LAN-level advertisement and tracker blocking instead.

    ³ That reminds me that I need to set up Pi-Hole on either my desktop or my
    ³ Raspberry Pi Zero W....
    ΐΔΔΔΔΔΔΔΔΔΔΔΔΔΔΔΔΔΔΔΔΔΔΔΔΔΔΔΔΔΔΔΔΔΔΔΔΔΔΔΔ Your time was just wasted by ΜΉƒlian

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Arelor on Wednesday, September 11, 2024 21:17:18
    Re: Brave browser
    By: Arelor to MRO on Wed Sep 11 2024 02:54 pm

    I don't think the Tor network is inherently insecure. Exit nodes may attempt to sniff at your traffic, but since every modern service you may use on the clearnet is encrypted then it does not make much of a difference, not to mention if you don't use Tor you give the chance to watch your traffic to even more people.

    i wouldn't trust it. you're sending your data through random people, most of them not very nice people. furthermore the us govt developed it and released it to the public.

    it's worse than just using the internet on your own connection.
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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to HALIAN on Thursday, September 12, 2024 09:29:00
    I avoid it like the plague for a few different reasons:

    1. It's a Chromium fork, thus polluting the browser market with false choice

    Most all browsers, including now Microsoft's Edge, are forked from either Chromium or the Mozilla/Firefox family tree. IIRC, Opera is now a fork of
    one or the other, and Safari might be the only well-known browser left that isn't a fork of one of those two.

    I currently use Floorp (a Firefox fork) with ζBlock Origin.
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    See. ;)


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  • From phigan@VERT/TACOPRON to Dumas Walker on Thursday, September 12, 2024 08:52:58
    Re: Brave browser
    By: Dumas Walker to HALIAN on Thu Sep 12 2024 09:29 am

    Most all browsers, including now Microsoft's Edge, are forked from either Chromium or the Mozilla/Firefox family tree. IIRC, Opera is now a fork of

    I think the point was it just not to be Chrome or Chromium.

    Firefox just announced something about AI in its browser. I'm hoping the FF forks leave that stuff out.

    There was that other browser engine for a bit, Electron? I think that one might've gone over to the Chromium side too, if I'm not mistaken.

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  • From halian@VERT/ABINARY to phigan on Thursday, September 12, 2024 20:19:00
    Ί I think the point was it just not to be Chrome or Chromium. ΘΝΛΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝ [quote from phigan]
    Ί Exactly. >.>
    ΘΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝ

    Ί Firefox just announced something about AI in its browser. I'm hoping the FF
    Ί forks leave that stuff out. ΘΝΛΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝ [quote from phigan]
    Ί As do I. I'm sick of AI worming its way into everything, and
    Ί enshittification more generally.
    ΘΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝ

    Ί There was that other browser engine for a bit, Electron? I think that one
    Ί might've gone over to the Chromium side too, if I'm not mistaken. ΘΝΛΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝ [quote from phigan]
    Ί I wasn't aware that it was ever *not* Chromium-based. :o
    ΘΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝ Your time was just wasted by ΜΉƒlian

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to PHIGAN on Friday, September 13, 2024 08:36:00
    There was that other browser engine for a bit, Electron? I think that one might've gone over to the Chromium side too, if I'm not mistaken.

    There is WebKit. Epiphany is based on it. However, it could very well be another name for Chromium or Mozilla/FF for all I know. :)


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  • From halian@VERT/ABINARY to Dumas Walker on Saturday, September 14, 2024 01:52:00
    |01Ί|07 There is WebKit. Epiphany is based on it. However, it could very |01Ί|07 well be another name for Chromium or Mozilla/FF for all I know. :) |01ΘΝΛΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝ|09 [quote from Dumas Walker] |01Ί|07 WebKit is the browser engine underpinning Safari, as well as the |01Ί|07 browsers built into the PS3/Nintendo 3DS and onward.
    |01ΘΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝΝ |03Something something |11ΜΉƒlian

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  • From phigan@VERT/TACOPRON to Dumas Walker on Saturday, September 14, 2024 06:59:55
    Re: Brave browser
    By: Dumas Walker to PHIGAN on Fri Sep 13 2024 08:36 am

    There is WebKit. Epiphany is based on it. However, it could very well be another name for Chromium or Mozilla/FF for all I know. :)

    yeah Webkit is a nice backup to have, but kinda sux if you try using it as your primary. It does work when something like Librewolf fails.

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to HALIAN on Saturday, September 14, 2024 10:04:00
    WebKit is the browser engine underpinning Safari, as well as the
    browsers built into the PS3/Nintendo 3DS and onward.

    Good to know!


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to PHIGAN on Sunday, September 15, 2024 09:49:00
    There is WebKit. Epiphany is based on it. However, it could very well be another name for Chromium or Mozilla/FF for all I know. :)

    yeah Webkit is a nice backup to have, but kinda sux if you try using it as you
    primary. It does work when something like Librewolf fails.

    I have found that Epiphany chokes on some sites but it works way better, speedwise, on machines with fewer cores or less memory and in situations
    where I need something a little more powerful than links2.


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  • From phigan@VERT/TACOPRON to Dumas Walker on Wednesday, September 18, 2024 06:09:46
    Re: Brave browser
    By: Dumas Walker to PHIGAN on Sun Sep 15 2024 09:49 am

    speedwise, on machines with fewer cores or less memory and in situations where I need something a little more powerful than links2.

    Nice, I've been looking for something for those situations. What's the "crappiest" computer you've used Epiphany on?

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to PHIGAN on Thursday, September 19, 2024 09:39:00
    speedwise, on machines with fewer cores or less memory and in situations where I need something a little more powerful than links2.

    Nice, I've been looking for something for those situations. What's the "crappiest" computer you've used Epiphany on?

    Intel Atom x5-Z8350 quad-core with 2M Cache & 2GB DDR3L-1600 RAM

    I actually thought it was a single core machine. This is a machine that
    can play YT videos via Firefox usually ok but that chokes on other websites
    and on other tasks. For example, I cannot run shotcut or the gimp on it
    and expect things to go well and, with the most recent upgrade to debian bookworm, local video playback is choppy where it used to be smooth.

    There are some sites that Epiphany will also choke on, but not as many as
    when running firefox.

    I need to try Epiphany on the dual-core Presario I have here and see what happens. OK, just tried it. Real slow but it did work and wasn't any
    slower than firefox or chromium. I think that machine will be a
    links2-only machine. ;)


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Dumas Walker on Thursday, September 19, 2024 14:58:35
    Re: Brave browser
    By: Dumas Walker to PHIGAN on Thu Sep 19 2024 09:39 am

    Intel Atom x5-Z8350 quad-core with 2M Cache & 2GB DDR3L-1600 RAM

    I actually thought it was a single core machine. This is a machine that can

    I bought hundreds of Dell E420s, neat little systems with a Core 2 Duo, 1.2 ghz. For the time, it was a great traveler PC - lightweight, and the high-capacity battery stuck out the front, making for a makeshift keyboard rest.

    I had one that kept coming back because people reported it was too slow. It had the same stickers and config as the others, but when I ran CPU-Z, realized it had a 1.0 ghz Core 2 Solo. I'd never *heard* of that chip.

    It explained why the battery lasted so long. I kept it around, Dell sent me a properly spec'ed D420 to replace it and didn't ask for a return.
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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Friday, September 20, 2024 10:15:00
    Intel Atom x5-Z8350 quad-core with 2M Cache & 2GB DDR3L-1600 RAM

    I actually thought it was a single core machine. This is a machine that ca

    I bought hundreds of Dell E420s, neat little systems with a Core 2 Duo, 1.2 ghz. For the time, it was a great traveler PC - lightweight, and the high-capacity battery stuck out the front, making for a makeshift keyboard rest.

    Yeah, just because some of them sound underpowered doesn't mean they don't
    have their uses.

    I had one that kept coming back because people reported it was too slow. It ha
    the same stickers and config as the others, but when I ran CPU-Z, realized it had a 1.0 ghz Core 2 Solo. I'd never *heard* of that chip.

    It explained why the battery lasted so long. I kept it around, Dell sent me a properly spec'ed D420 to replace it and didn't ask for a return.

    LOL, it does explain why the battery lasted longer. I have not heard of
    that chip, either. It was nice of them to send out the proper one and not ask for a return.


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  • From Matthew Munson@VERT/IUTOPIA to HALIAN on Sunday, September 22, 2024 19:46:00
    ³ I avoid it like the plague for a few different reasons:
    ³
    ³ 1. It's a Chromium fork, thus polluting the browser market with false choice
    ³ 2. It's inextricably linked to cryptocurrency (specifically BAT)
    ³ 3. It's run by outspoken anti-LGBTQIA+ activist Brendan Eich
    ³
    ³ I currently use Floorp (a Firefox fork) with ζBlock Origin.
    I can agree with part 1, Brave should have used the firefox engine or
    the engine from Safari instead. Browser makers don't want to do it the
    hard way.

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  • From Matthew Munson@VERT/IUTOPIA to PHIGAN on Sunday, September 22, 2024 19:47:00
    Firefox just announced something about AI in its browser. I'm hoping the FF forks leave that stuff out.
    AI= Bloat, and the API for AI providers is not free either. My favorite
    email client wants people to pay 40/yr for using the AI APIS.

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  • From halian@VERT/ABINARY to Matthew Munson on Sunday, September 29, 2024 05:15:00
    ³ I avoid it like the plague for a few different reasons:
    ³
    ³ 1. It's a Chromium fork, thus polluting the browser market with false choice
    ³ 2. It's inextricably linked to cryptocurrency (specifically BAT)
    ³ 3. It's run by outspoken anti-LGBTQIA+ activist Brendan Eich
    ³
    ³ I currently use Floorp (a Firefox fork) with ζBlock Origin.
    I can agree with part 1, Brave should have used the firefox engine or
    the engine from Safari instead. Browser makers don't want to do it the hard way.

    Except for those that do, because the only rule that has no exception is that every rule has an exception. :P

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  • From Neko@VERT/MIYANET to Arelor on Monday, September 30, 2024 16:18:22
    Re: Re: Brave browser
    By: Arelor to Gamgee on Mon Sep 16 2024 18:34:03

    It is a bit of a matter of perspective. As far as Chromium remains open-source I don't think the monoculture aspect is too
    problematic. Still, it sucks when some non-standard becomes so dominant it starts being difficult to use any alternative.
    Thankfully, I think we are far from that point.

    Personally I'm more into Firefox. I don't know why, because it's just a browser, but I still prefer it to Chrome and Chromium-based browsers.

    The only firefox fork I have ried s Pale Moon. It was ok, but the developpers were assholes and the whole deal was very Windows
    centric. They had a very "just use Windows" vibe that got them out of many repositories.

    Yeah, that's pretty bad... Heard that Pale Moon developer(s) killed MyPal too. I'll have to find a replacement for it on my older Windows installations.
    RetroZilla doesn't solve some SSL/TLS incompatibilities that happen in my use case, but Pale Moon does it pretty okay... unless the website depends too much on JavaScript and CSS 3.

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to Neko on Thursday, October 03, 2024 19:20:54
    Re: Re: Brave browser
    By: Neko to Arelor on Mon Sep 30 2024 04:18 pm

    Personally I'm more into Firefox. I don't know why, because it's just a browser, but I still prefer it to Chrome and Chromium-based browsers.

    I personally prefer Firefox because it is relatively easy to fix.

    I say this because most web browsers are broken, in the sense that they leak a whole lot of information about what you do to third parties via telemetric services and the like. With Firefox you can load the arkenfox user.sj file and remove the issue in one sweep.


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Arelor on Thursday, October 03, 2024 23:33:36
    Re: Re: Brave browser
    By: Arelor to Neko on Thu Oct 03 2024 07:20 pm

    Personally I'm more into Firefox. I don't know why, because it's just a browser, but I still prefer it to Chrome and Chromium-based browsers.

    I personally prefer Firefox because it is relatively easy to fix.

    I say this because most web browsers are broken, in the sense that they leak a whole lot of information about what you do to third parties via telemetric services and the like. With Firefox you can load the arkenfox user.sj file and remove the issue in one sweep.



    i ditched firefox because it used to have all those memory holes. i only used it for the addons. now with chrome they have the addons i can use so i'm happier.
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  • From Neko@VERT/MIYANET to Arelor on Wednesday, October 09, 2024 13:41:14
    Re: Re: Brave browser
    By: Arelor to Neko on Thu Oct 03 2024 19:20:54

    I personally prefer Firefox because it is relatively easy to fix.

    I say this because most web browsers are broken, in the sense that they leak a whole lot of information about what you do to third parties via telemetric
    services and the like. With Firefox you can load the arkenfox user.sj file and remove the issue in one sweep.

    Cool! I'll have to try it.

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